My problem is with the whole fan-perception that the Phantom is self-evidently irresistible (and therefore the whole unlikely attraction doesn't need to be explained) -- they are projecting their own feelings about how sad and exquisitely romantic a character he is (and, apparently, sexually magnetic) onto Christine. Now, I'm at a disadvantage because I don't get the overwhelming sex-appeal; I can understand that they are themselves identifying with the Phantom's situation and want to make him happy, but the idea that he is not just sad and pathetic but knee-tremblingly lust-inducing (even if we're talking about Gerik in tight trousers), to the degree that Christine finds him erotic against her will, is... outside the bounds of my imagination. (Even where I'm writing an LND-Christine who has, according to canon, been attracted to the Phantom, I can't write one where she suffers from raw lust for him. It's just beyond what I can visualise.)
So you get arguments that start off "It's all about seduction and forbidden desire", "Erik and Christine have attraction in spades", "E/C is terribly romantic" and "who doesn't instinctively root for Erik?" (an unlovely Americanism that always makes me think of pigs snouting in the mud), while what I'm seeing is fiction that is failing to convince because it takes the intrinsic attractiveness of Erik as an absolute foregone conclusion so far as its target audience is concerned (Erik is Hot! We'd All Love to Jump His Bones!) Whereas the character they actually depict is, as a rule, far from attractive if you don't start from the premise that everybody loves the Phantom...
I'm somewhat tying myself in knots here because I'm trying to work out why I find LND-Raoul a sympathetic character when, on the face of it, he's not giving Christine any of the adoration, safety and respect the character is being praised for in contrast to Erik, and when he is exhibiting the same sort of self-pityingly angry/whiny behaviour as the Phantom in POTO. It's certainly not because I'm seuxally attracted to LND-Raoul in some way! (Authorial/fan bias does have something to do with it, I'm afraid; seeing a character's very understandable reactions being treated as beyond the pale automatically enlists my sympathies, while being exposed to mass adulation of the Phantom considerably destroyed my sympathy in that direction -- he really doesn't need it when he has a horde of screaming fangirls flinging themselves at his feet.)
Thinking about it, I think my gut dislike of the E/C pairing is down to the prior commitment thing; I simply do not like fiction that revolves around the idea of someone deciding that she is tired of one lover and is going to switch to another one. It's a trope that a lot of romance novels seem to be fond of (let's ditch Mr Boring Husband/Boyfriend and go for Mr New, Exciting and Dangerous!), and it unsettles and repels me on a very deep level.
Yes, E/C basically involves breaking canon by changing all the characters (deliberately by a process of development or inadevertently) in order to make its romance work; modern AU E/C stories that *don't* create a fluffy Erik often end up pretty queasy-making, with an obedient barefoot Christine in the power of a jealous unstable lunatic (but a Sexy One!), often one who has killed off other major characters and been forgiven for it or else successfully concealed it from Christine (yes, I'm thinking of at least two specific stories here). And yes, I've seen some pretty tedious R/C stories that consist of nothing but Raoul being the author's idea of the perfect modern boyfriend, holding his wife's hand while she gives birth, supporting her desire for independence, and generally ticking all the boxes required in order to be acceptable by their friends' Tumblr ideology... and not conveying any recognisable sense of the characters at all, let alone the setting. I've seen a couple of modern-day AUs that present a credible modern ALW Raoul -- I don't think I've seen anyone attempt a Leroux-Raoul! -- but anodyne 21st-century attitudes injected back into the 19th century make no sense. Stories like this are well-meaning, but dull and/or annoying. And they tend not to contain any plot beyond 'Christine gives birth and they all live happily ever after', which is of course the classic complaint about the lack of potential in writing R/C...
I think 'stereotypical romance novel' is pretty much what people are generally looking for :-( (It's certainly what most of the self-published Phantom retellings/sequels seem to produce, from what one can gather.)
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Date: 2020-05-01 02:28 am (UTC)So you get arguments that start off "It's all about seduction and forbidden desire", "Erik and Christine have attraction in spades", "E/C is terribly romantic" and "who doesn't instinctively root for Erik?" (an unlovely Americanism that always makes me think of pigs snouting in the mud), while what I'm seeing is fiction that is failing to convince because it takes the intrinsic attractiveness of Erik as an absolute foregone conclusion so far as its target audience is concerned (Erik is Hot! We'd All Love to Jump His Bones!) Whereas the character they actually depict is, as a rule, far from attractive if you don't start from the premise that everybody loves the Phantom...
I'm somewhat tying myself in knots here because I'm trying to work out why I find LND-Raoul a sympathetic character when, on the face of it, he's not giving Christine any of the adoration, safety and respect the character is being praised for in contrast to Erik, and when he is exhibiting the same sort of self-pityingly angry/whiny behaviour as the Phantom in POTO. It's certainly not because I'm seuxally attracted to LND-Raoul in some way! (Authorial/fan bias does have something to do with it, I'm afraid; seeing a character's very understandable reactions being treated as beyond the pale automatically enlists my sympathies, while being exposed to mass adulation of the Phantom considerably destroyed my sympathy in that direction -- he really doesn't need it when he has a horde of screaming fangirls flinging themselves at his feet.)
Thinking about it, I think my gut dislike of the E/C pairing is down to the prior commitment thing; I simply do not like fiction that revolves around the idea of someone deciding that she is tired of one lover and is going to switch to another one. It's a trope that a lot of romance novels seem to be fond of (let's ditch Mr Boring Husband/Boyfriend and go for Mr New, Exciting and Dangerous!), and it unsettles and repels me on a very deep level.
Yes, E/C basically involves breaking canon by changing all the characters (deliberately by a process of development or inadevertently) in order to make its romance work; modern AU E/C stories that *don't* create a fluffy Erik often end up pretty queasy-making, with an obedient barefoot Christine in the power of a jealous unstable lunatic (but a Sexy One!), often one who has killed off other major characters and been forgiven for it or else successfully concealed it from Christine (yes, I'm thinking of at least two specific stories here). And yes, I've seen some pretty tedious R/C stories that consist of nothing but Raoul being the author's idea of the perfect modern boyfriend, holding his wife's hand while she gives birth, supporting her desire for independence, and generally ticking all the boxes required in order to be acceptable by their friends' Tumblr ideology... and not conveying any recognisable sense of the characters at all, let alone the setting. I've seen a couple of modern-day AUs that present a credible modern ALW Raoul -- I don't think I've seen anyone attempt a Leroux-Raoul! -- but anodyne 21st-century attitudes injected back into the 19th century make no sense. Stories like this are well-meaning, but dull and/or annoying. And they tend not to contain any plot beyond 'Christine gives birth and they all live happily ever after', which is of course the classic complaint about the lack of potential in writing R/C...
I think 'stereotypical romance novel' is pretty much what people are generally looking for :-(
(It's certainly what most of the self-published Phantom retellings/sequels seem to produce, from what one can gather.)