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I decide to stop in and see what's new on fanfiction.net, and what do I find? An essay on why the Erik/Christine ship doesn't work!

It makes some very nice points, though I wish the essayist had added something about how Raoul genuinely loves Christine while Erik just wants to possess her.

Discuss!
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irukandji thinks so.

Raoul Bashing-Was Leroux the one who started it?

I'm skeptical, because I never got the impression that Leroux hated his hero. And Erik wins? Um, he dies, dearest. Did you miss that part, since it's unclear whether you've read the entire book?
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Some well-meaning soul on fanfiction.net has decided to post the original novel's full text.

Here is Child of Dreams's review of Chapter 5:

Clearly not so incapable of lying...
She lied to her poor Erik for two weeks, if not longer!

...What did Christine lie to Erik about? I presume it had to do with Raoul, but when did this happen? Maybe I'm being an idiot and forgetting something, but either way, this woman baffles me. And she seems to have an obsession with killing off Harry Potter...
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https://comments.deviantart.com/1/704229187/4476504416

We've seen 'Raoul is selfish'/'Raoul only cares about Christine's looks'/'the Phantom has known Christine much longer' (all debatable statements, in terms of the book) often enough before, but where on earth did I just could never forgive him in the book for him wanting Christine to think about him when she was crying over the death of her friend come from?

What friends of Christine are seen to die in the novel? Buquet? (He's said to have been popular...)
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I love how Raoul gets all kinds of crap for eavesdropping on Christine a grand total of twice. Because it's not like Christine called him out on it. And everyone knows Raoul was the one who manipulated Christine, kidnapped her, and blackmailed her into agreeing to marry him.

Oh, wait.

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One of the things fans like to cite from Leroux (in addition to 'Raoul cries all the time, he's a real baby!') in order to 'prove' that Raoul is a bad choice for Christine is the fact that he supposedly decides that she must be having a steamy affair with another man based on nothing more than seeing a glimpse of her in a carriage window one night.

What they don't mention is where he sees her, and why he is so reluctant to believe Count Philippe on the subject in the first place. Christine has been spotted with an unknown man after dark in a carriage dawdling behind the stands at the Longchamps racecourse, which was, at this period, a notorious 'lovers' lane'.

Basically, anyone seen driving round aimlessly there after dark wouldn't have been doing it for the scenery. It was a place you went for activities you didn't want to be seen.

So when poor Raoul discovers that his lady-love has apparently been seen canoodling there in a closed carriage, he's horrified...
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Philippe's murder in Leroux is odd -- about fifty per cent of it really takes place in the prologue, really, at a point where the reader doesn't know or particularly care who any of these characters are (which is where we get the whole 'two ever-loving brothers in tragic conflict' thing). Yet after this dramatic set-up, when we eventually get to the scene in question the death and its consequences are almost airbrushed out. All the after-effects and the business about Raoul being suspected are only mentioned at the *start* of the story, not when the actual murder takes place. It's as if the author originally intended his finale to be much more of a Chagny-centric thriller plot, and then got distracted by the Phantom's woes ;-p

And then Erik denies the murder when the Daroga accuses him, despite the fact that Leroux definitely seems to intend 'the siren' to have killed a then-unknown intruder during the relevant chapter. We know (from his own lips) that Erik lies whenever it suits him, but it's not clear why he would bother to lie about that on his deathbed... but then it's not clear why he would have lied about the drowning being "the siren's fault" earlier on, either. Given that he comes back soaked from head to foot, I think we can conclude that he did his best to pull the same 'reed-breathing' trick on the Comte that Leroux shows him doing when he almost drowns the Daroga -- in fact, that may well be the purpose of that event in the novel, to prefigure Philippe's death (which, as I said, appears originally to have been trailed as the pivotal plot point of the story, only to get almost completely brushed over in the finished serial!)

So even if Philippe did, in a strictly literal interpretation of events, fall into the lake and drown there 'by accident', at the very least Erik headed out there underwater with the *intention* of killing him. And the all-too-obvious interpretation is that any 'accident' took place by Erik's direct contrivance :-(
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