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This is a story about a disfigured man who falls in love with a blind woman.

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This is brilliant.
This is brilliant.
This is brilliant :-D
The Conjuror's Masque

It was business as usual at the Paris Opera. Of course, when you're trapped in a detective novel about a disfigured lunatic who falls in love with your understudy, usual is just another kind of strange.

"OMG I totally did it because I am bad artistocrat rapist and evil boring and she totally loved Eric and I wear pink panties and stuff OMG!" –signed, Raul, the Visconter of Change
There was a general murmur of "OMG? What does OMG mean?" until at last little Jammes yelled over the din, "It must be Opera Ghost!" This seemed to satisfy the crowd until someone with slightly better observational skills pointed out that Jammes had missed out the M.
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I find it amusing that there are so many Mary Sues in this fandom, considering that two of the first actresses to play Christine were named Mary and Susanna. Funny little coincidence, huh?
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But you wouldn't expect [the 2004 movie] to be the film that was responsible for so many teenage girls declaring that they hated Raoul and couldn't stand the thought of R/C, given the amount of extra heroism they went around adding in to Raoul's character... presumably it's the attractions of the youthed-up Phantom as played by Gerard Butler that are to blame :-p
~igenlode in a comment on my journal

This is, no doubt, a correct assumption where many Phantom fangirls are concerned, but I believe there's a bit more to it than that. Though it pained me to do so, I sat down and listed every reason I could think of for the average adolescent female who had only seen the 2004 movie and was unfamiliar with any of the other versions to adore Erik and despise Raoul. I intend to explain those reasons in this post.

Disclaimer: I realize that Raoul-hatred is as old as The Phantom of the Opera itself. I acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons to dislike Raoul, as there are for any fictional character. I chose to focus on the 2004 movie because of the Gerik fangirls and subsequent Raoul-bashing it left in its wake. I am not a psychologist, so anything I say here has a significant chance of being complete bullshit. I do not mean to imply that every movie fan only liked it for superficial reasons. I condemn no one for lusting after Gerard Butler.

Anything else I need to disclaim? No? Good. Let us begin. This will take a while.

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Collected thoughts on Raoul and fanfiction (assembled from various conversations with an in-depth reviewer):

Head-canons



I don't really have many persistent head-canons beyond the actual canon details; one is the argument that Christine's famous scarf which Raoul rescued was actually a headscarf; the original French bears it out, and the concept neatly explains why she was wearing a scarf in the middle of summer and how it came to blow off so easily.
And another is the idea that Leroux-Raoul, whose entire estate is stated to be in the hands of his older brother, doesn't actually have a lot of cash at his disposal; when we see him buy his own tickets for the train or to the opera, for example, he buys cheap seats (sitting up overnight all the way to Brittany is not the preferred travel method of a luxury-living aristocrat!), and we see him go around Paris on foot. Of course the Comte normally pays for anything and everything his little brother might want as a matter of course -- but my head-canon is that when Raoul is trying to do things that he doesn't want Philippe to know about, and hence can't just charge everything to his brother's account, he has to think about where he's going to get the money from...

Comic Rec!

Nov. 21st, 2018 09:30 am
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Raoul Is by ensignbeedrill

Note the inclusion of the Ingenious Plane. :D
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I decide to stop in and see what's new on fanfiction.net, and what do I find? An essay on why the Erik/Christine ship doesn't work!

It makes some very nice points, though I wish the essayist had added something about how Raoul genuinely loves Christine while Erik just wants to possess her.

Discuss!
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irukandji thinks so.

Raoul Bashing-Was Leroux the one who started it?

I'm skeptical, because I never got the impression that Leroux hated his hero. And Erik wins? Um, he dies, dearest. Did you miss that part, since it's unclear whether you've read the entire book?
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An interesting Phantom board/card game (where the object is to stop Carlotta storming out of the theatre!)

https://opinionatedgamers.com/2014/12/26/phantom-of-the-opera/
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According to her, Gerard Butler is great because he can "hold that note." I don't know for sure which note she was referring to (I assume it was the long one at the end of MotN), but good grief. Michael Crawford can hold that note. Every actor who has played the Phantom after him in the stage musical ever can hold that note. I can hold that note. Gerard Butler is not the only person who can hold a long note! And he doesn't even sing it on key!

She also implied that he was a better singer than Patrick Wilson. I pointed out that Patrick was more experienced, and she agreed, but still. *headdesk*

I like Gerard Butler, I really do, but he was painfully miscast in Phantom. I watched a couple movie clips on YouTube yesterday and was stunned by how out-of-place he seemed. I don't know if it was the costume department's fault or what, but Gerard as a whole looked sillier than Patrick's hair ever did.
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Some well-meaning soul on fanfiction.net has decided to post the original novel's full text.

Here is Child of Dreams's review of Chapter 5:

Clearly not so incapable of lying...
She lied to her poor Erik for two weeks, if not longer!

...What did Christine lie to Erik about? I presume it had to do with Raoul, but when did this happen? Maybe I'm being an idiot and forgetting something, but either way, this woman baffles me. And she seems to have an obsession with killing off Harry Potter...
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He soon met Norman Kerry who suggested he try his hand at silent films. Valentino headed to Los Angeles on Kerry's advice, and began making the rounds at studios.

~Rudolph Valentino's IMDb biography

Since we, in a way, have Raoul to thank for the existence of male sex symbols in Hollywood, I don't see what the Raoul-hating Gerik fangirls (the completely superficial ones, anyway) have to complain about. Without Raoul, there would be no sexy Gerik for them to drool over.
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One of the standard things Raoul gets bashed for, when people are trying to justify why they resent his existence, is that he is apparently disrespectful/condescending for not taking 'No' for an answer when he invites Christine out to supper after their reunion -- she says she doesn't want to go, and he doesn't listen but rushes off to get his outdoor clothes while leaving her to get into hers. (As an aside, it occurs to me here for the first time that "I must get my hat" effectively acts as a tactful way of removing himself from the room so that Christine can get changed in privacy!)

While I think that (contrary to the scenario I chose to explore for the purposes of There is No Phantom of the Opera) Raoul does come to the dressing-room powerfully attracted to Christine rather than as a platonic reunion of old friends, I don't think the invitation to dinner is intended as a message of seduction; I'd read his motives as being genuinely those represented in that story, a desire to take her out to celebrate and for the chance to catch up on old news. After all, the management aren't exactly laying on a party for her, and she richly deserves one -- at least in his eyes!Read more... )
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It's just occurred to me that Raoul's response to finding Christine in her dressing-room wearing little more than a dressing-gown over her underwear is "you need to get changed if we're going out"; the Phantom's response in the same situation is "come to me" :-p
I feel that this tells us something about the amount of respect they have for her... although the fandom would probably say that it shows who is the 'real' man!
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In a properly faithful movie adaptation of Gaston Leroux's novel, either Leslie Howard or Errol Flynn would be my dream Raoul. (Little things like being dead for over half a century are not going to stand in the way of my Raoul-fangirling!)

Just a bit of Raoul-related wishful thinking...
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I came across a generic boxed set of 'Great Musicals' today: one disc each on "Oliver!", "Oklahoma" etc. The recording of "Phantom" happened to be an obscure one that had featured John Barrowman in his pre-Doctor-Who days: on this re-issue it was the only set of credits where I've ever seen Raoul billed at the top in larger letters than all the other characters :D
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It's interesting that there are currently two (that I know of) R/C fanfics running which have decided to depict Raoul as a non-white protagonist, even despite the difficulties this creates in retaining his 'de Chagny' role.

In Strange Sweet Sound on AO3, Raoul is described as a 'throwback' to an enslaved foremother, the darkest one in a family of otherwise only slightly-negroid aristocrats (a sort of parallel with the cases of Alexandre Dumas and the Chevalier de St-George).
In the graphic novel Fantome-Stein on Tumblr, 'half-caste' Raoul appears to be the illegitimate offspring of Philippe's sister, although this plot point has yet to be clarified. (Weirdly enough, in the earliest artwork he isn't discernably dark-skinned at all; it shows up starting in chapter two.)

I'm wondering if this fan development is something to do with millennials' psychology, i.e. in order to be virtuous you need to be able to demonstrate identity with some oppressed group. It's interesting that I've only come across this in pro-Raoul stories (admittedly in a grand sample of two!) -- I have a feeling that it's a subconscious attempt to make Raoul a more sympathetic protagonist and perhaps to counterbalance the 'Aristocrat = Evil' assumptions among the fandom/demographic (poor Philippe, the go-to source of villainy...)
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A lot of people seem to take Phantom by Susan Kay as the definitive version of Erik's backstory, so I suppose it must be good. On the other hand, I've heard it contains all of the following:
  • Erik becoming a morphine addict with an Oedipus complex
  • Character assassination of Christine
  • Erik/Christine sex
  • Christine having Erik's child
  • Raoul getting emasculated
  • A generous helping of misogyny
I must know! Are the rumors true? Should I take the plunge or stay away?


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